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Welding Certification Tests ” Welding certification wlding one of the most misunderstood things in the welding industry. Welding certifications typically are not transferable and only good while you are employed by the folks who certified you.
Now before you go getting all bowed up on me, there are a few exceptions. If you took r17 welding test at an accredited AWS test facility, you can say you are certified provided you have kept it up by submitting your forms and 10 bucks to the AWS every 6 months and weldkng kept an auditable record of continued welding activity within every 6 month period.
Or if you are self employed and you have documentation of having welded a test weld under the conditions of a qualified welding procedure specification and to a certain welding code, Along with the auditable record of continued welding activity within every 6 month period.
Oh yeah, you also have to have a retinal scan, social security number of your firstborn, and a stool sample.
Do you see where I am going with this? It gets worse… What welding code are you certified to? What types of material are you certified on? What positions are you certified to weld that material in? What process are you certified in? What thicknesses are you certified to weld with what process and in what position and what material type? Blah blah blah……yada yada yada. Requirements for Becoming a weldinh welding inspector CWI are pretty complicated as well.
If you are interested in becoming a CWI click here to learn the scoop. QC The Death of common Sense in Welding Certification I once had to stop welding on a stainless steel pipe joint when I was only one pass from finishing the weld because my certification only qualified me to weld to.
Now anyone who knows anything at all about pipe welding knows that going thicker is not a problem. But rules are rules right? I understand why the rules are there ok? But I also think the whole welding certification thing is a bit out of hand. Here is how welding certification codes are developed and approved The AWS code committees are made up of volunteer committee members. Almost no committee member pays out of his own pocket to travel to meetings. That means the employer foots the bill.
Sometimes the committee is a good a mix of inspectors, supervisors, and engineers, but in my experience, its usually mostly engineers. After many, many meetings at convention rooms in expensive hotelswhere the employers of the committee members are paying the billand after many, many arguments where hairs are split and then split again, the members with the strongest personalities gets their way and the welding code finally gets published after several years. And then they learn to get around it by applying totally different welding techniques for testing than are used in the field.
All in the name of compliance. I understand the need for welding certification. In fact I am very much in favor of certification to the extent that I think every welder ought to be certified somehow… and I think the test should closely resemble the tasks done day to day. And for products that are not addressed by a welding code or specification, Simple destructive tests could be used along with visual inspection.
Welding certification testing should not always have to be a complicated process. For instance, the welder who welds the Wal-Mart bikes maybe makes a couple of welds under direct supervision of a qualified welding inspector. Then the frame is taken out back and has the snot beat out of it with a sledge hammer. All this would only take an hour or so. No x-rays, no slicing and dicing and metallographic cross sections. Just a down and dirty and very effective test.
A destructive test…oh yeah! And I definitely think the guys at OCC and monster garage should be certified. And while we are at it lets make sure they get some basic safety training… cause Damn!
Plasma cutting with nothing but Ray bans is not cool… Just dumb!
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What does it v17 to be a certified welder? Prescribed standards usually means the weld met visual inspection criteria as well as other tests like x ray, or bend testing. Awz certification almost always involves complying with a welding code or standard of some kind.
There are structural welding tests, pipe welding tests, aerospace welding tests, food service welding tests and more. How do I become a certified welder? The easiest way is to just hire on with a company that needs certified welders was pass the welding test. If you just want some pedigree papers, you can call any AWS accredited test facility and arrange for the simplest welding test that they administer. This could even mean something as simple as a T joint fillet weld break test welsing laying right in front of you on a table 2F position.
If flat t joints is all a company does, then why would they want to impose additional requirements that only cost them money? Mostly you will find that tests are around dollars. Pass or failstill around dollars per test. Once you pass the testyou are given the option weleing pay a few bucks extra to be listed on the national AWS certified welder registry. What does a welding certification test involve? For pipe welding jobs, more often than not, a 6G pipe test is given.
That means the pipe is placed on a f17 degree angle and it is fixed…. Welding in the 6g position tests your ability to reposition your body, it tests if you can weld left handed, and it tests being v17 to weld in all positions, flat, horizontal, overhead, and vertical.
For structural welding tests, very often a vertical 3G and overhead 4G test are given in either stick or flux core. X ray will find defects but there are usually some allowances for a small amount of defects in every welding code. A welding certification test can be really difficult, or it can be fairly easy. My experience has been that most welding tests given by employers are pretty hard.
Its his job to cull out the hacks.
If a guy passes his welding test and then gets on the job and screws the pooch, and causes extra expense by having to cut out and reweld weldihg welds, who gets blamed?
You better believe some thought went into what welding certification test is given on a job site.
Not only are they concerned with the test meeting the qualification limitations of the welding done, buy they also want the test to be hard enough to not let just any jack leg thru the gate. Is there one single welding certification test that will certify me to weld anything?
Nope, not even close. Different Welding certification tests are given for material type, thickness, positions, etc. One welding test can cover many different positions and thicknesses How many different welding certification tests are there? Just to give you an idea, the United Association of Pipefitters lists about 60 different pipe welding tests on their website…that only scratches the surface of the possible welding tests that could be given.
Can a company certify their own welders?
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Or do they have to use an outside agency? Aqs lot of people are under the misconception that a welding certification test must be administered by an outside agency wlding order to hold water. Many companies prefer to use outside agencies to ensure objectivity and to avoid conflict of interest but there is nothing in the welding codes to prevent companies from certifying their own welders. It can be a complicated and confusing process if you are not familiar with welding codes and standards.
Does a welding certification at one company certify you to weld at other companies?
Its possible, but definitely not probable. It happened to me once. But it was a ratty construction company anyway and that was the least of their issues.
Most welding codes list a provision that allows one company to accept a previous welding certification. But here is the kicker The company accepting the previous certification is still just as responsible for compliance as if they certified the welder themselves.
Can I use my welding certification at the last company I worked for to weld on the side? Not all welding jobs require certification. If your company’s welding certification satisfies another employer’s and they deem your previous certification xws to weld on their stuff, all the worries are on them.
If its your own business, its a judgment call. Odds are if the certification is f17 for the scope of work, you will not have a problem.
Weding play it forward. What are you going to say to the Attorney when he asks you if you are certified?
If your answer can be stated confidently As the sole proprietor of my own company, I elected to accept my own current qualifications in lieu of testing according to section 4 paragraph 3. That should shut a lawyer down Why should I become a certified welder? You should get certified because not every welder is certified or can pass a test and everyone knows that.
You will automatically jump over the heads of thousands of welders who never had the chance or maybe just never bothered to get certified. Does every human resources manager who hires a welder know his ass from third base when it comes to welding?
Do want them to be fair and give the job to the guy with more experience? Or do you want the job? Where can I go to get certified?